60 Minutes’ Scott Pelley interviewed me for nearly an hour. We discussed Hillary’s health, fake news, and the nature of truth. 60 Minutes has not released the full interview. Here is one segment that did not make it on TV.
Scott Pelley: You know, it seems to me that the quickest way to destroy a democracy, is to poison the information.
Mike Cernovich: That’s exactly why the Iraq war was a mistake, caused by hysterical, fake news coverage. I also remember when people claimed, a Kuwaiti woman had claimed that Iraqi soldiers had went into a hospital, taking babies out of the incubators, throwing the babies away, and this was all reported true, they were untrue. So again, the idea is-
Scott Pelley: I’m talking about your work.
Mike Cernovich: I’m talking about the nature of truth though, because my work has to be contextualized relative to the structures that we resist in the media structure.
Scott Pelley: So some reporters, some where made a mistake and therefore it’s okay for you to write anything you want, whether it’s true or not.
Mike Cernovich: No, I never said that at all. I said that people are human beings, and that mistakes made by the New York Times, and the Washington Post, and Rolling Stone, and other outlets, have caused great damage to our democracy and is definitely a problem.
Scott Pelley: Are you damaging the democracy?
Mike Cernovich: I’m improving it by adding voices to the conversation. The idea of a democracy is that more voices are better than fewer, free speech is better than censorship, and we should all argue and have it out just as we’re having a somewhat of a debate right now, which is fine by me. I fully support this. I think this is great. I think scrutiny that people give me is fantastic, and I approve of it, and I scrutinize others and appreciate the same courtesy.
Scott Pelley, like the rest of the fake news media, suffers from hubris. He was utterly unprepared to discuss fake news coming from major outlets, as this exchange shows:
Scott Pelley: Well, the benefit of intermediaries is having experienced editors check things out and research people. Check the facts before it goes out to the public. You don’t do any of that.
Mike Cernovich: Where are the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
Scott Pelley: That was a big mess, but that was because the Government –
Mike Cernovich: And how much –
Scott Pelley: Told us they existed.
Mike Cernovich: And how much, then why trust the government?
Scott Pelley: We also, we also reported that they didn’t exist.
Mike Cernovich: Right. Well, how much damage was caused by the fake news story about weapons of mass destruction? How much damage was caused by that Rolling Stone rape hoax, where the fraternity was shut down? Bang, bang, bang. People attacking them. Assault.
So the critique is, and the Washington Post recently of course had said that the Burlington power grid had been hacked by the Russians. And then it turned out well, actually some guy, maybe he had been watching some stuff he wouldn’t have been watching on the internet. And maybe his computer was compromised. But even then, nobody knows. That’s the Washington Post, right?
New York Times, weapons of mass destruction. None ever found. Washington Post, Russia attacking the power grid. Can you believe it? Unbelievable. What a disaster.
Obama prosecuting whistle-blowers all the time, everywhere. Obama spending money to avoid Freedom of Information Act requests. All the time. I don’t see any complaints about that. But then people want to come after me guns blazing. Come after me hard. I’m not starting wars in Iraq, which was a disgrace. I’m not starting wars in Afghanistan. I’m not getting people into deep deficits. And ruining lives, right?
Scott Pelley kept trying to trap me. I reminded him of some huge stories the media refused to cover.
Scott Pelley: Question becomes, what, what’s your standard for objective truth? Maybe you’ve talked to an anesthesiologist who’s never met Hilary Clinton, who’s decided she has Parkinson’s Disease, which there’s no sign of, and then-
Mike Cernovich: Are you a doctor?
Scott Pelley: I am not a doctor, but uh, the … Secretary Clinton does not seem to have Parkinson’s Disease. You seem to be the only person reporting that. It would be a pretty big story if it was true, and no one’s been able to verify it. So what’s your standard of proof? It doesn’t seem very high.
Mike Cernovich: I remember when John Edwards had fathered a wo- a child out of wedlock with a woman he was cheating on while his wife had cancer, the media wouldn’t cover it.
Scott Pelley: The question’s not about John Edwards. The question’s not about John Edwards, it’s about you, what’s your standard of proof?
Mike Cernovich: We’re having a philosophical conversation about the nature of truth, and the nature of truth is that John Edwards did not have a lovechild, that is fake news. Well actually it’s true, that happened. Right? So there are many stories that are under reported.
Scott Pelley: I’m talking about your website.
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