The $10,000 Testosterone Guru Challenge

A lot of men write about how to increase your testosterone level naturally. I want to know: Who has the highest natural testosterone level, and I’ll donate $10,000 to charity to find out.

(Here’s my cash. Let’s raise some money for charity.)

10,000 testosterone guru challenge

Who can really raise your testosterone level naturally, and who doesn’t believe in their own methods? Who is on TRT? Who will post his full blood work?

A lot of men claim they know how to raise testosterone levels naturally. Unfortunately they haven’t posted blood work showing that their methods work.

For example, Mark Sisson, Tim Ferriss, Dave Asprey, and Tucker Max all claim they have a blueprint available that will raise your testosterone level. If their blueprint works, they would be following it, right? They would be posting before-and-after scans of their blood work.

Why haven’t they posted their blood work?

I have searched far and wide for their blood work. Numerous people have requested to see their blood work. What’s going on?

Mark Sisson: “A Primal Primer: Testosterone.” [Either hasn't posted blood work or I can't find it.]

Tim Ferriss: “Tim Ferriss Interview Tim Ferriss On Building A 4-Hour Body” [Either hasn't posted blood work or I can't find it.]

This one discovery, among a few other dietary changes, helped me to triple my total testosterone and roughly double bioavailable testosterone.

Dave Asprey: “Photo: Abs After 2 Years of 4500 Calories & No Exercise.” [Either hasn't posted blood work or I can't find it.]

Tucker Max: “How to Naturally Increase Your Testosterone.” [Either hasn't posted blood work or I can't find it.]

Tucker Max shot x-rays across his balls, and it killed his Testosterone. Instead of unhealthy hormone therapy or unsafe pills, he tested lots of other methods and tripled his Testosterone in a safe, easy, and natural way. Learn what he did.

Mike Cernovich: “How I Went from a Natural Testosterone Level of 0 to 672 in Only 8 Weeks.” [Blood work has been posted several times.]

The lack of blood work doesn’t make them bad people. They might be great guys.

They are behind the times. That’s all.

It’s 2014. Blood work is easy to obtain.

I post my blood work and want to know why no one else wants to post his blood work.

Enter the $10,000 Testosterone Challenge.

 

  • http://freedomandfulfilment.com/ Freedom & Fulfilment

    That’s audacity.. I doubt any of those guys will be up for it though

    • Danger & Play Blog

      It’s for charity. How could they say no?

      • Robert VE

        They will probably just ignore it. That way they don’t have to say no and look like dickheads.

  • http://inspiredevolution.co Luke Terry

    Mike, this is an outstanding project. I salute you. A couple of questions–one-I’m a new-ish blogger & health practitioner, I’d be interested in participating, mostly to self-test some protocols in a public forum. Am I eligible? I’m not exactly a guru like Sisson, Et al, but I do practice, just started a blog, and I do have a small local following of people I’ve helped with such things.

    Secondly, what protocols can be used to be sure that people don’t “cheat” with synthetics? My understanding is that labs done by Quest Diagnostics & others, and through resellers like PrivateMD labs don’t have the ability to differentiate between synthetic & natural. I do know that WADA and USA Cycling, and other pro sports organizations have the ability to differentiate natural v. synthetic T via some kind of mass spectrometry.

    I just turned 40, and had low T in my mid 30’s due to a chronic illness (Lyme disease) that fortunately I was able to beat. I haven’t tested it recently, but believe I’ve elevated my T naturally via methods I developed using a lot of herbal & lifestyle methods based on research. I don’t want to share anything that hasn’t been tested officially. I do have good signs & symptoms of good T, including healthy libido, strong morning erections, good muscle growth & development, low body fat, and also generally feel better now than when I was a junk-food eater in my 20s.

    Let me know your thoughts, I’m about to do blood work & I’ll happily run it up the flagpole & see how things shake out.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      The more the merrier. What I want to do is raise the standard.

      No one should be allowed to write about health and fitness or raising testosterone unless they are posting their own lab work.

      As far as testing goes, it’d be ruthless. Carbon isotope test. No testing window, so no one could take ester-less testosterone at 9 p.m. and have it clear while you sleep.

      Test FSH, SHBG, and LH, Clomid, etc.

      It would be drug testing standards that are stricter than anything used in pro sports. I know how to beat those tests.

      This test would be unbeatable.

  • Mike Wilcox

    I think this is a great idea, about time these guys were called on their claims. I’m in the process of naturally boosting my own numbers, I’m 59.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      Right. They keep saying their levels were raised. Why wouldn’t they post the lab results? It doesn’t make any sense to me.

      Or if they are on TRT, that’s totally cool. TRT is great when used properly. They should just say, “Hey, this stuff can raise your T. It didn’t work for me. I went on TRT.”

  • Danger & Play Blog

    Since it’s for charity (the winner gets the pick what charity gets the money), they are all going to want in. How could they say no?

  • kryogenix
    • Danger & Play Blog

      He spent $250,000 to make himself bulletproof but has never posted at $55 blood test. What’s up with that?

  • http://nootroponaut.com/ Nootroponaut

    Mike, see if you can get Christopher Walker to join in. Twitter is @ctheflow he runs Testosterone.io and claims he raised his T naturally to 1192ng/dL on that page.

    Chris, where you at?

    • Danger & Play Blog

      Wow. He has exact numbers. That must mean he was getting regular lab work done. Where has Christopher Walker posted his lab work at? It’d be interesting to see his T, FSH, FH, and SHBG levels….to see the rise and fall and troubleshoot what he did right.

      I can’t wait to see this information. It will be useful and help us all achieve a better understanding of male endocrinology.

      It will be exciting to have him on board.

      • http://nootroponaut.com/ Nootroponaut

        Actually, I just found it. I’d been looking for it all over:

        http://www.nogym.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/TestosteroneLabResults1-860×1024.jpg

        Bonus:

        Also, while looking I found this study http://jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

        mentioned by Chris (he seems like a decent guy).

        It mentions nutrient ratios in relation to T. In summary:

        –More fat, esp Sat and MUFAs = Higher resting T

        –More PUFA fats (in relation to sat fat) = Less resting T

        –High intensity resistance exercise = Higher post-exercise T
        (esp if more muscle mass is used AKA don’t skip leg day)

        –MUFAs and Sat fats were the strongest T predictors in this study
        (so decrease PUFAs and/or increase MUFAs and Sat fats)

        What’s interesting is that a higher prot:fat was correlated with lower T

        All the correlation’s r values were fairly high as well.

        • Danger & Play Blog

          That’s great. We’d need to see some other lab values to confirm everything is natural, but he’s doing the right thing and gets respect for that.

  • Costello

    I wonder if they can walk the walk.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      They have all been getting blood work. It sure would be easy for them to post it. I post mine and I don’t have a staff or marketing agency or anything. For them, it will be easy to post their blood work and to get drug tests done. I’m excited to hear back from them, and even more excited to raise money for a good cause.

  • G380

    Handle some guns, tools, motorcycles, camp out in the woods for 5 days commando style not Target RV Camp bitch style (If you dont have a boner doing all that!?).

    • Danger & Play Blog

      In Education of a Bodybuilder, Arnold talked about how he and his friends would go bring weights and girls and steaks out into the woods. They’d lift, swim, hike, grill steaks, and have sex. What a life.

  • G380

    Mike I doubt youll find any takers from all the talking head marketers you mentioned above.

    Kudos to you for calling those half ass hustlers out.

    I bet you are kicking ass like a Delta Force Commando during a deposition. Expose these clowns.

    Put your money at UBS, Credit Suisse, or Deutchbank as you wont need to spend that 10k anytime soon by paying those goons youve called out.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      I hope you are mistaken. I can’t see a good why they wouldn’t start posting lab results. Maybe I am missing something?

      • G380

        Do you realistically foresee them going public with biological data?

        I think you did the offer of the 10k challenge because you know they are blow hards. I agree.

        • Danger & Play Blog

          Worse case scenario is that I give $10,000 to charity because they man up and prove their results.

          This is a challenge I would be pleased to lose.

  • http://www.52in52weeks.com Ed

    I’m impressed by the audacity of this move, but mostly I’m impressed by the strategy behind it.

    It will be interesting to see if any of them respond to this. Even if they don’t respond hopefully it will make people think twice about making unverified bold claims about products they sell.

    I’ve seen so many things on the internet that make huge claims about their products but they almost never post the results of tests that could verify their claims. For the products that can be tested there’s really only one reason for them not to post test results.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      Thanks. It’s like the James Randi Challenge. Someone make a claim. Cool. Here’s some cash. Prove it.

  • shabby

    If they don’t join you in this it can only demonstrate that they cannot back up their claims. This is a great way to induce skepticism in readers.

    Soon, ignoring your challenges will start to cost these guys because your growth is fuelled by honesty. The more people read you, the more people will doubt these guys because they can’t keep up with you. You can single handedly increase transparency by outdoing them and posing challenges like this.

    Either they will have to become like you, or they will lose people’s trust.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      I have always wanted people to start posting their blood work, even when I was a teen. I would read claims about testosterone boosters on T-Nation and ask, “Why don’t you just post labs or do a study?” The guys would always say, “It’s too expensive.”

      But as I’ve shown, getting blood work done is cheap. $55 for a basic hormone panel.

      Now I’m in a position to see that vision happen. I set the standard by posting my blood work and by being completely honest about my TRT/AAS use.

      I went off and got my levels up naturally. Posted blood work. (If they think I’m on Clomid, they can randomly test me tomorrow if they want. Anytime, anyplace.)

      Now they need to rise up to this new standard.

      I just want to see people start doing what I am doing. Post the blood work. Back up claims.

      Be honest so that men can have a realistic understanding of what is possible and what is not possible.

      Will they rise to higher standards and help raise money for charity?

      I simply cannot see any good reason why they wouldn’t start posting blood work and doing labs for the world to see.

  • Matt Lawson

    Nice work Mike, would like to see you do more piece-to-camera style videos like this.

    It’s a tad interesting that all of these guys making unsubstantiated claims are associated with the Paleo Diet.

    A couple of Aussie bloggers ‘Durianrider’ and Anthony Colpo have also
    offered a $10,000 payout to various Paleosphere celebrities to take a
    carbon isotope test…but the silence has been deafening in response.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      Thanks. I’m going to do more videos. I may do a bunch of videos while on vacation.

      • anon1

        yeah his first 5 mins on here highlights a similarity in personality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNKr8bpDobo

        • Danger & Play Blog

          The way we phrase things is sometimes identical. I’ll watch a video and say, “Shit, I just said that.”

          He also makes wagers. I was making wagers years ago (inspired by “betting markets,” if you read Overcoming Bias/Robin Hanson.)

          Still, we think and speak a lot like. It’s eerie.

          (One advantage to linking widely is because if there are similarities, hey, I cited my sources and gave credit where it was due.)

  • http://www.SkinnyFatTransformation.com Oskar

    This is a great initiative, and I look forward to see if they can back up their claims with proof. As you mentioned, blood work is cheap and simple to get done.

    I’ve personally managed to increase my testosterone by over 100% through lifestyle changes, and although I haven’t posted blood work, I do have all of it if anyone wants to see it.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      You should post the blood work. I have seen it. It’s a great accomplishment you made. You should be proud of it and you should show that you can prove your claims.

      People are wising up to hyped up claims that have no support. Be a leader and start posting that stuff now.

      Then the “gurus” will have to up their game to catch up to you.

  • Scott Solon

    Dave Asprey uses testosterone cream. He’s talked about it on his podcast. Those guys are all hype mongers cashing in on huge claims. The only one out there spitting the truth is Mike Danger.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      Thanks, Scott. That will change soon. They won’t be able to ignore all of you for much longer.

      I don’t even want to be a “guru.” I just want them to be honest. That way you men can have a realistic expectation of what is possible and what is not possible. (And save a lot of money by not buying nonsense supplements.)

    • http://www.edatingdoc.com/ Radio Wright

      Yeah – I heard him say that he uses that cream also @scott_solon:disqus .

      I think Dave Asprey is shady based on some of the things he said in his podcast. I stopped listening to him.

      Joe Rogan will not let him back on his show for lying and not being clear about that coffee he sells.

      • Danger & Play Blog

        Thank you. It seems you know this field better than I do.

        Where is Dave Asprey’s blog post describing his exact TRT protocol?

        Also, where did he post his blood work?

        I would love to read these blogs posts. I will link to them and update my post immediately.

        • http://www.edatingdoc.com/ Radio Wright

          I’ve only heard him talk about it on Joe Rogan’s podcast.

          He said he uses testosterone creme because his body doesn’t produce enough.

          Again, I don’t follow Dave Asprey because he seems dishonest.

  • http://kingformgolf.com/ Corey Fox

    Great Challenge!!! I have read Testosterone I/O from Christopher Walker. His book is very good and has helped me out. He does mention about dominant posture increasing testosterone in the book so you and Chris are on to something. I have talked to Chris and he is a very friendly guy. It would awesome if he joined Danger and Play :)

  • DukeNuke

    Mike Im not a doctor or guru myself but just a 24 year old… I once had a level of 395 total T.. I have been working to naturally raise it.. Now I pop at 599.. That was with depleted levels of many nutrients… I have been working naturally and blood testing A LOT around every month and a half getting things back in order.. I have other health issues going with it that IM sure affect it but slowly have been working on this.. I have blood work dating back over 2 years. How expensive is it to test for all the drugs you speak of? Id be happy to join in…

  • Scott Phillips

    Well done Sir, the internets salute you. After reading your trt article I got tested, found I have low T, and started a course of sustanon from the local anti ageing clinic. Results life changing. You rock, thanks for the clear info that enabled me to make a good decision.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      Thats great, Scott! You are the reason I write about TRT. I want men to know they have solutions.

  • http://www.edatingdoc.com/ Radio Wright

    In that Mark Sisson post you’re referencing:

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally

    He’s saying a few things I’ve heard you say during your podcast Mike, like cortisol lowering testosterone etc.

    He then references the scientific studies throughout the post where he got his information, like this one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20555276

    Not sure why you’re calling Mark out. He doesn’t seem to be making any crazy claims. Did you see something that alerted your BS detector? Mark seems really legit to me.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      Is that what he does or is he on TRT?

      • http://www.edatingdoc.com/ Radio Wright

        Mark is Pro TRT. I’ve followed Mark for a while and he talks about it on his podcast.

        I just listened to one of his podcasts where he stated:

        That if you’ve tried to raise your testosterone by being a more healthy individual then you may need to see a doctor about TRT.

        He also said:

        He thinks pro athletes that stress their body in ways where it just can’t naturally repair itself should be using drugs.

        He used the guys in the Tour De France as an example.

        He says that what’s unhealthy is those guys NOT using drugs to repair their bodies. He doesn’t think it’s fair for everyone to push these guys to break records and make money off them but then not provide them with the best medicines to repair their bodies. e.g. Testosterone HGH etc. He seems to be for the smart use of these drugs.

        I just don’t see any unsubstantiated claim on Mark’s Website and I’ve never heard him say anything crazy.

        I think you’re barking up the wrong tree by calling him out.

        Wouldn’t you tell someone to get off their fat ass, start exercising and stop eating cheese puffs to lower their cholesterol before telling someone to go take statins?

        • Danger & Play Blog

          If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong.

          I will update my post and link to it immediately. I will even donate $1,000 to Mark’s charity of choice as it’s unacceptable for me to get my facts wrong in such a public manner.

          Where is Mark’s blog post on TRT describing the TRT protocol is he on?

          Also, where can I find his blood work?

          Thanks for your help.

        • Matt Lawson

          Mark Sisson repeatedly uses ‘natural’ in his marketing spiel; “the natural ways of achieving good health”..etc.
          See here: http://www.primalblueprint.com/Mark_Sisson

          Wouldn’t it be a little dishonest if the physique he uses to sell supplements & books was in part due to the usage of some less than ‘natural’ substances, which he is less keen to publicly discuss?

          • http://www.edatingdoc.com/ Radio Wright

            Agreed Matt – If he uses TRT, he should say so.

            I’m just not skeptical of this guy. He provides a ton of helpful information about being healthy that makes sense.

            His testosterone article doesn’t make any unsubstantiated claims, is heavily referenced with the scientific studies at every point but are also somewhat common sense things that I’ve heard Mike himself mention.

            (It’s not like he’s breaking new ground, All he’s saying is that eating healthy & exercising positively affects testosterone.)

            Are there any points in his article you disagree with? Other than for a healthy guy, he looks too healthy?

            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/

            It would also be impossible for him to post before / after blood work since he’s been eating healthy & exercising his whole life. So I guess the only thing he could do is to post his blood work to prove he’s not using TRT?

          • Matt Lawson

            I disagree strongly with his stance on fat intake,
            it’s contrary to every credible epidemiological study on the matter and my own experience.

            Sisson’s writing continually suggests that following his dietary recommendations will yield his results.

            I just find it a little strange that so many can put so much trust in the ‘all natural’ testosterone-boosting magic powers of his diet, yet almost all the signs point to his use of TRT.

            Sisson is no stranger to cognitive dissonance though, after all he works in the supplements industry.

            “”Avoid exposure to chemical toxins in your food (pesticides, herbicides, chemicals, etc) and on your skin. But also try to avoid the hidden poisons in foods like sugars, grains, processed foods, trans and hydrogenated fats, and mercury in certain fish.”
            – Mark Sisson

            But then take a look at Mark’s own brand supplement ‘Primal Fuel’ http://www.primalblueprint.com/product/Primal_Fuel/Supplements
            A product designed by him includes sucrose and maltodextrin.
            Yet according to the above, Mark believes sugars and processed foods are ‘poison’

            Is he willfully ‘poisoning’ his customers….or does he just not believe the things he writes?

          • http://www.edatingdoc.com/ Radio Wright

            I guess what works for some people doesn’t work for others.

            Eating Paleo (including the higher fat intake) works great for me. Eating high carb makes me feel like shit and negativity affects my health.

            That testosterone article is a side note, of a side note, of a side note. Not sure why you think it’s the center of the reasoning of his healthy eating recommendations.

            One of the main things about the Paleo eating recommendations is not constantly spiking your insulin level through the roof, which is why the sugars are recommended to be limited. (and why he calls sugar a poison… when enough is eaten to spike your insulin constantly, which leads to diabetes.)

            I just took a look at that protein you mentioned.

            It contains 5 grams of sugar per serving. The same amount contained in 1/3rd of a banana. That is definitely not going to spike your insulin. (So I don’t think he or his customers think anyone is being poisoned and doesn’t clash with any Paleo recommendations.)

            I totally understand though, if your own body doesn’t work well with Paleo. Again, what works for some people, doesn’t work for others. I keep tabs of my health markers and so far, it’s working really well for me.

          • Danger & Play Blog

            Mark Sisson provides great information and has improved the health of many. He has changed lives and is great man. I mean that sincerely.

            On those points, zero hate from me. Only love.

            That said, if you don’t think he’s on TRT and likely HGH and T3/T4, then it only goes to show that Sisson is only providing half of the picture.

            That’s my only issue with him. He needs to tell the full story. “Hey, this Primal stuff is great for many. That said, when you get my age you need to look into TRT. Here is what I do….”

            Wouldn’t that be cool of him? He could change lives by being more transparent and honest. He has a huge audience. I want to see him help more people by being more open and honest and by telling the full story.

            That’s all I want to see.

          • http://www.edatingdoc.com/ Radio Wright

            I agree, If he uses TRT then that would be cool for him to discuss it.

            The only reference I have for a guy his age is my Dad. My Dad grew up on the farm that he still owns and works everyday. My Dad is in just as good shape (and definitely doesn’t use TRT) and will work circles around anyone. That’s why I don’t think anything about the guy looking healthy for his age.

  • http://designerecosystems.com/ Wojciech Majda

    I’ve posted the following comment on Mark Sisson blog on the post Radio Wright linked. It’s on page 3. Curently waiting to be approved by moderator. I just think that guy shpuld be informed, because otherwise he can’t defend himself.:

    Hi Mark Sisson, there is a guy called Mike Cernovich, he has a blog called Danger and Play. He created “a challenge” – it’s money for charity.

    It’s to check is your “testosterone boosting protocol” working and the way you look is thanks to it (and general Primal living) or is it because of TRT and HGH.

    http://www.dangerandplay.com/2014/08/08/10000-testosterone-guru-challenge/

    I would love to hear your thought about that.

    Cheers!”

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/comment-page-3/#comments

    • Danger & Play Blog

      I hope he answers. If he’s on TRT, that’s great and no hate from me.

      If he is on TRT, he should be helping men by spreading the message and sharing his story.

      They all should. TRT is wondeful. Let’s all be honest about it and get the message out.

      • http://designerecosystems.com/ Wojciech Majda

        It’s been more than 24h, my comment is still awaiting moderation. But let’s give him the benefits of doubt as it was posted on the weekend, so maybe his mods are not working during the Sunday.

        • http://designerecosystems.com/ Wojciech Majda

          My comment was approved on Mark’s Daily Apple post about testosterone.

  • larsporsena

    Great stuff Mike – I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into making this knowledge available.

    I’m thinking about doing TRT. I’m worried about bloat – especially in my face. I believe you mentioned in one of your podcasts that using a shorter ester would help decrease bloat? Some guys I know look incredibly lean using PEDs, but others seem to puff up. Is this something to be worried about – and if so is there anything else you can do? Thanks!

  • http://picturealbum.info Shane

    Fantasic challenge, I’m not in it to win the money for charity, but maybe this will help someone somehow.
    42 Y/O Male. 10/24/2013 Was at my highest weigh ever @ 155lbs and felt just fine. Very physically active. Ate whatever I felt like and tried to eat as many calories as I could for the previous 3 years. Blood work showed ldl @ 163, hdl 45, total 224 (no T test this time). Family history or cardio issues, so me, my Dr and Cardiologist were very concerned about the ldl levels. For the first 90 days I concentrated on aerobic activity 4x per week for 30 minutes (bike / walk / run) , and lowering my glycemic index of all food intake, tried to eliminate all soda’s, white bread, white rice, potatoes, no deserts and cut out loads of red meat and diary to reduce cholesterol intake in food. I lost 15 pounds and felt like crap in 90 days. Diet was just under 2,000 C/day average. Bloodwork 1/23/2014 T level 382, ldl @ 124, hdl 42, total 188. Dr’s were very happy, I felt horrible at 140lbs. I hired a personal trainer with the goal to help my get healthy and bring me up naturally to 165lbs, all muscle target. Trained 3-4x / week for 90 days straight. Brought calories up to 2400 average consumption through more volume, protein supplements, more meat. Weight came up to 148lbs, ability to lift heavy weights increased about 3x on average. Ability to run 2.2 miles without stopping 3x / week. Felt pretty damn good at end of 90 days. Blood work 4/29/2014 T 550, ldl 112, hdl 47, total 173. Top of the world and no end in sight to the gains was the idea. But the next 90 days was less than pleasing results. I maintained training 3x / week, but was not able to connect with the trainer as often due to vacations, work traveling etc but made sure to keep up the work on my own. I intentionally reduced running to 1 mile 3x/week to prevent calorie loss, and I cheated on the diet more with a few deserts, normal cheese instead of fat free, and may have snuck in a few fast food stops while traveling. When I went overseas on another trip it seemed like a big challenge to get vegtables, and everything I could eat was fried. Blood work 7/30/2014 T 317, Free T 53.3, LDL 113, HDL 55, total 182, weight 151, Given the fact that I can still lift heavy weights at the peak, and kept up training 3-4x / week my T levels should not have fallen 233 points. After a discussion with the Dr, started TRT and looking forward to the next results. Now that school is starting, connecting with the trainer should become more consistent again. I do believe that the initial weight lifting helped increase the T levels, but then the body did not continue to keep them there. Although I can improve the diet back to no cheating, I don’t think this was why T levels fell. I am in the best shape of my life, and continuing to get bigger and stronger.

  • Bo Jangles

    I suspect the drop of test and HGH in ageing just comes down mostly to the drop in thyroid hormones. I think people need to supplement T3, T2 more than they need to supplement Test, they are the fundamental driving hormones that affect almost everything else (metabolism, heart rate, mental function). Doctors fail to detect hypothyroidism because they rely on blood tests which ignores the fact that there is vast differences in absorption of thyroid hormones (just like a diabetic has insulin resistance a person can have thyroid hormone resistance). Ill be taking some blood tests here soon..should help prove or refute my theory.

    • AKA2AKA

      I second this. Millions of people are running around with sub-optimal thyroid function. Sub-optimal, but within “normal” range on lab work. Since the labs show “normal” thyroid hormone levels, the doctors don’t treat it. But normal is not optimal. We should be shooting for optimal. I would recommend though that before you start taking a T3, T2 script, that you eliminate what might be causing your sub-optimal thyroid levels. Check out your diet, check out whether you have a festering gut infection. Check out if you could have food intolerances that lower your thyroid function.

      • Bo Jangles

        Just saw a study that t2 does have an effect on hgh secretion.

  • wahsatchmo

    Mike, I’m sorely disappointed in your T boosting method, because I’m no longer a candidate for Testosterone Replacement Therapy.

    I got tested in May of this year for testosterone levels: 275 total, and 3 free (this is from memory, I plan to ask my doctor to fax my blood test results to me.) My doctor was happy to prescribe TRT in whatever manner I saw fit, but my insurance reviewed the claim and refused to cover it, insisting I was in normal range. Well, normal for a 60 year old, but not for a 43 year old. My insurance also accidentally disclosed these results and their disallowance of the claim to a random person insured by the same company, so that was nice. My doctor and I agreed to try another blood test in a few months to bolster my claim that I needed TRT.

    I saw your testosterone boosting posts and tried the exercises. I wasn’t necessarily dogged about them; I did dead lifts with shoulder shrugs and poses with light weights (90lbs), walked around the house while holding 35lbs in each hand until my arms got tired, and did the alpha stretches just about daily. I also did standing shoulder presses a few times a week, plus ate more broccoli than usual.

    My results three months later in August: 439 total testosterone, 14.5 free. That’s at least as good as TRT. And the therapy was completely free (other than the cost of weights, which I consider a sunk cost.)

    This works.

    If I can figure out how to get this voice mail from my doctor off the cell phone, I’ll send it to you. And I’m willing to send you the blood test results specifically in regard to T levels, assuming my doctor has no problem sending them to me.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      That’s great news. Keep doing them and see how high you can get. Thanks for the update!

      • wahsatchmo

        Mike, I sent you my test labs plus hopefully the recording of my Dr’s phone call via email, hopefully it got through. I do this in the interest of experimentation, because this is 1) free; 2) fascinating, and; 3) fun.

        • Danger & Play Blog

          Got it. Thanks man, very cool!

  • MaleDefined

    Mike,

    Have you heard of Andro Plus? I came across it a few days ago and I’m just curious on your thoughts on it if you have any.

    • Danger & Play Blog

      Yes, it’s testosterone cream. It’s a good product (from what I understand), but it is TRT and should be treated accordingly.

  • bear

    Despite eating mainly paleoesque for the last 4 years, I’ve never been a follower of guys like Sisson. The one guy I do read/listen to regularly is Dr. Mercola. Despite always promoting the natural way as much as possible, he himself admits to taking a hormone cream for keeping his adrenal function at optimal levels. When I read that my respect for him only increased.

  • http://designerecosystems.com/ Wojciech Majda

    Critique of David’s Asprey by Danny Roddy: