Is Joining the Army Beta?

Is leaving the comfort of home for a place where you will be friendless and tormented beta? Do the Real Alpha Males remain home with mommy and daddy (or, given single parenthood rates, just mommy dearest), playing video games and eating Doritos?

Is spending a Summer in an environment so hot and humid that people pass out from heat stroke, and need intravenous fluids in order to survive beta? Do the Real Alpha Males drink Gatorade after a grueling WOW sessions?

Is learning how to keep your mouth shut, not smirk or show any emotion when being screamed at beta? Or do the Real Alpha Males complain to moderators on Internet message boards that people are “bullying” them.

Is throwing hand grenades and shooting M60 machine guns beta? Are the Real Alpha Males faggots who have never even owned a gun (while nonetheless proclaiming on the Internet that they are prepared for the coming coming race war)?

Is standing in a concrete room full of tear gas and not being a little fucking pussy and crying beta? Are you the Real Alpha Males afraid of smoking cigarettes?

Is sleeping in your boots because taking them off would mean they would literally not fit back on (as the boot is acting as a makeshift split on a severely sprained ankle) beta? Do we find the Real Alpha Males at the New Balance store, buying specialty footwear to address their overpronation problem?

Is hiking 14 miles with a full combat load beta when you can hear your hip click with every step? Are the Real Alpha Males at REI, buying Cliff Bars and Vibram Five Finger Shoes?

Is it beta to locate an index-card sized target at 2 a.m. when you have nothing but a map, compass, and pace counter beta? Are the Real Alpha Males out at 2 a.m., using credit cards and bravado, trying to put their porn-induced impotent dicks into fat American pigs?

Is learning how to deal with the death of close friends beta? Are the Real Alpha Males those who have never known hardship, struggle, or loss?

Is being in the Army beta? I don’t know, but I do know that you kids are in the wrong neighborhood if you think banging 6s and circle jerking each other online gives you any insight into what it means to be a man.

  • Fearless

    True post. Guys have to make the choice carefully though. Friends of mine have come back missing legs and/or severe PTSD. It’s a tough bit to chew on for a young man in his 20’s. Much respect to our service members regardless, we need more capable leaders like them.

    • http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com dangerandplay

      Right. Nowhere in my post did I suggest that everyone enlist.

      There are pros and cons.

      Suggesting that joining the military is beta, however, is just silly.

  • (R)Evoluzione

    Great Memorial Day post. Remember the fallen.

  • Cunt

    Alpha is the leader, beta is the follower. Nothing more.

    A man should be the leader of a woman. Forget the leader of the pack, this bullshit about how a man should act. A man should lead a woman. Simple as that.

    You’re a beta in the army. And it doesn’t matter.

  • Jack

    Being in the military is alpha and beta. Your post is true, but you’re still signing up to get sent off to die and get maimed by political alphas who don’t give a fuck about you and use you as a pawn. And you’re being trained to follow orders of your superiors without questioning them.

    • http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com dangerandplay

      When guys say, “But you’ll get maimed,” it only proves my point. Most people who hate on the Army are afraid of getting hurt.

      Fear is beta.

      • bob

        There is so much to dislike about day to day Army life that has nothing to do with the prospect of getting hurt.

      • Jack

        Fear of getting maimed isn’t the point. It’s getting maimed for bullshit reasons while being a pawn of the true political alphas of society. Controlling your own destiny is alpha.

  • Truth2Hurts

    Joining the army, police, FBI or any law enforcement agency in this age and time, is only for stupids men. Basically you trade your soul for Politics and Sociophats who don’t give a fuck about you, our country and only want to destroy our Nation.
    You become a mindless killing machine and the Politicians Bitch.
    If you want to be a real motherfucker, in this age you can train weapons use, tactics, figthing tecniques, discipline, mind strength, and so on, without all the brainwashing and without getting mal nourished and used like a bitch in the army.

  • bob

    I’m in the Army and I would tell any young man not to enlist. If I had a son, I would forbid him to join any branch of the armed forces. Don’t be a part of the social engineering project the military has become.

    • http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com dangerandplay

      I got out for my own reasons and no one would consider me a patriot. But you missed the point of the post.

  • http://gravatar.com/vanitylicenseplate carioca

    Is leaving the comfort of home for a place where you will be friendless and tormented beta?

    No. It is adventurous, thrilling. Not beta.

    Do the Real Alpha Males remain home with mommy and daddy (or, given single parenthood rates, just mommy dearest), playing video games and eating Doritos?

    No. They stay home fucking the girlfriends of some cuckolds who are overseas. Or they are the alpha politicians who scores with war. Or maybe they are serving too and are killing people for sport.

    Is spending a Summer in an environment so hot and humid that people pass out from heat stroke, and need intravenous fluids in order to survive beta?

    Depends on the purpose of this. Doing this to seek approval (like 99,9% of military men) is totally beta.

    Do the Real Alpha Males drink Gatorade after a grueling WOW sessions?

    Gatorade is full of sugar, it´s the same shit as soda disguised as a healthy stuff.

    Is learning how to keep your mouth shut, not smirk or show any emotion when being screamed at beta?

    Yes. It´s castrating. It lowers your T, surely.

    Is throwing hand grenades and shooting M60 machine guns beta?

    Only if you are doing this in a video-game.

    Are you the Real Alpha Males afraid of smoking cigarettes?

    I pretend to be smoking with a lit cigarette sometimes, but I never inhale that shit.

    Are the Real Alpha Males out at 2 a.m., using credit cards and bravado, trying to put their porn-induced impotent dicks into fat American pigs?

    Surely not!!

    PS. “what it means to be a man” is a meme used by feminists, vegetarians, military, communists, religions etc to convince men to act in a certain way by the fear of shame. The desire to fit in the “Man” standard is a way to seek approval form the group. It is 300% beta.

  • samseau

    Is it alpha to work for someone else, or run your own business?

    That’s why the military is beta.

    • http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com dangerandplay

      Even if you work for yourself, you’ll have clients and customers. We all follow orders. Everyone.

      • samseau

        But in my business, I get to choose which customers I serve; I get to choose the orders I follow.

        Working for someone else does not have such an option.

        Disobey the military, you go to jail. Disobey your customer, you lose some money.

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  • Johnny Guitar

    It is beta to blindly go fight and possibly die for a Juliet Echo Whiskey communist controlled multicultural, egalitarian, feminist shit hole country. But I guess you are indeed one of those patriotards… so carry on.

  • Shallow Fox

    Tough one. I don’t think you can call joining the military an alpha or a beta move. From what I’ve seen, most people who join the military do so for financial reasons. I know several people who have joined in order to get med/dental school paid for, a monthly stipend, health benefits, etc… Not because they were particularly patriotic or had some deep need to serve their country. So… although some might argue that joining the military makes you a pawn, you’re also using them in that you’re getting your (fill in the blank) needs met.

  • raliv

    Is killing other people beta?

    fuck no. Killing is alpha as fuck. Half of me wants to join the military just to get the chance to kill some people.

    If you are afraid to fight, you don’t deserve to live. All of life is fighting. You pussies that enjoy civilization but don’t want to fight are refusing to admit that you are hiding behind the front lines of the military. It is our ability to kill that allows us to live.

  • AnonJohn

    Game community attracts betas/losers/idiots because they are seeking answers.

    What can you do?

  • Paul

    You dismiss anyone who cites American foreign policy as a reason against military service as simply pussies that are “afraid of death”, yet you exited the military in Spring of 2003. Got out just in time, huh? I think it’s hilarious when you drop this manlier-than-thou shit when you jumped ship right before the Iraq War.

    Military service is fine and well, and the benefits deserve to be highlighted. But get off your high horse attacking anyone who cites foreign policy objections. You never saw combat, so stop acting like such a badass.

  • Tim

    Being in the military for combat soldiers means doing the wetwork for the Man.

    A lot of the serious kills are scored by pilots in Arizona controlling drones in Afganistan. Not too different from WOW, except the graphics are much cooler in WOW.

    In the 21st century, heroism isn’t what it used to be.

    No disrespect to the people in the service. It’s a hard, tough choice, and if you’re willing to do it, fine. I salute the effort. I also remember that most of the army guys I know, including family members, ended up doing jobs they didn’t want for several years — jobs like peeling potatoes and the support work that is grueling and important, but doesn’t exactly put you in the line of fire and sacrifice and all that.

    If you read James Jones’ Thin Red Line or From Here To Eternity — both about the Greatest Generation — you’ll find a realistic view of the military. One filled with cowards and fuckups and ambitious pricks and a few real heros, just like life outside the military. As well as, yep, alphas and betas.

    Beyond that, the whole alpha/beta thing is tired. We all sort of get what an alpha is and what a beta is, but it’s very imprecise, variable and depends on who’s doing the defining. It’s not useful anymore. Ricky Raw’s post, linked to in J’s comment, is great and puts it all in perspective.

    Anyway, hats off to Great, great grampa who beat the drum in the Civil War so that Lincoln could Federalize the country. And to Grandpa who served in World War One so that . . . jeez, what did that accomplish besides setting things up nicely for Hitler? So that my great uncle could fight fascism and make it back to kill himself by drinking cases of beer, and so Stalin could oppress a few more million people for a few more generations. So my second cousin could fight in, yeah, Viet Nam where that war made the world safe for the Communist party to do deals to manufacture t-shirts more cheaply than Zimbabwe.

  • Lee

    This post reflects very badly on you.

  • http://genuineapproach.com Mac

    @ dangerandplay

    “Is standing in a concrete room full of tear gas and not being a little fucking pussy and crying beta?”

    Whoa there. Show me one dude who didn’t (involuntarily) have water leaking from his eyes. I had that, snot, and phlegm all conspiring the kill me for at least 10 minutes.

    @ Jack
    “And you’re being trained to follow orders of your superiors without questioning them.”

    The officers definitely weren’t. And I ordered my sergeants to give me feedback. You’re an idiot if you don’t, and the majority of officers weren’t idiots.

    @ carioca
    “Is spending a Summer in an environment so hot and humid that people pass out from heat stroke, and need intravenous fluids in order to survive beta?

    Depends on the purpose of this. Doing this to seek approval (like 99,9% of military men) is totally beta.”

    Right. Except for the guys sent to the school and told to finish or they lose their job (monetary motive). Or the guys who want the best training possible so they can be better leaders (leadership motive). Or the idiots who got to Ranger school and just wouldn’t give up (my own personal motive).

    Other than that, yeah, we’re totally beta and just want our drill sergeants to like us.

    (note: I was OCS)

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  • tim

    Marine vet here. The answer is “yes and no”. The physical side of the military can be very alpha. But the mental and moral side will make you MORE beta than you went in. Getting used to following orders and not being able to exercise your judgement on your own initiative is not very alpha. Just check recent articles were employers are complaining about the professionalism of veterans they hired recently. The AVF is mostly a welfare agency. the military of the 70s and 80s was quite a bit different. Political correctness has dramatically influenced the military. Google “John T Reed” and read his comments on these matters.

  • tim

    Fear of getting hurt is professionalism, it is not “beta”. Nobody wants to get hurt. In fact, one of the main requirements for getting into Special Operations Forces is having a VERY healthy fear of getting hurt, because we want professionals, not people trying to prove their manhood or people trying to brag about how “alpha” they are. When we plan operations, we try to make sure NOBODY gets hurt, except for the enemy, if the mission calls for that. False or even real bravado is quite unnecessary and extremely counter-productive. Try to google information on the psychological criteria for Special Forces selection or how the Marine Corps selects Marines for the scout/sniper course. It’s probably light years different than what you THINK it is.
    Two different Tims are posting, this post and the one before are me :)

  • asdf

    People don’t go from peasant to king overnight.

    It’s beta, but it might be your best option. Becoming alpha takes years of hard work, and for various reasons the military might be your best bet for doing so. I’d say being a lifer in the military is pretty beta though, it should be a means to an end.

  • Jim

    Taking these kinds of risks for your group or tribe seems to be an inherently masculine trait, especially when you observe how infrequently women show interest in this sort of thing at all. The difference between wars now and the wars that shaped our species throughout our evolution, is that now, wars are fought by soldiers to defend a population impersonally connected to them as individuals. And modern leaders capitalize on young men’s innate tendency to take these risks. At one time, there was more reward for defending your tribe, but male instincts haven’t caught up.

  • Jim

    In other words, altruism is more of a male trait that a female one and this male variety of altruism is counter productive to him in modern social environments (surprise).